However, the things that used to happen in PF, they have continued even in UPND. The cadres are still in markets and bus stations. When you are in office, it is very difficult to know what is happening on the ground. The evil practices have continued. Whatever we say, we will be seen as using a political lens. President Hakainde said when he wins and is sworn in at 10:00 hours, by 14:00 hours, the Dollar would have dropped. That 14:00 hours has not yet come and we are waiting for the 14:00 hours.

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With any crime, there must be some evidence given. It has been a song sung and I am happy that the government of the day has taken some steps to investigate. My concerns are that they have not come up with tangible evidence against those that are being investigated. What I mean is that it is taking too long to send or convict these people. There has been time spent at primary level without [a] graduation to a higher level. Courts also need to speed up these convictions. It is only when the courts prove you guilty then you can be called guilty.

Corruption takes two people. People that have not been in these offices think that Ministers are in charge of the disbursements of money. Ministers are just policymakers. There are people that are in charge of disbursing money. If a Minister was involved, at what point was that Minister involved? Corruption could also be in words. What words were used to corrupt the morals of somebody? You can be morally corrupt or involved in a financial scandal. I am happy with the steps the government has taken but let us yield results. We should not speak about it for a long time.