If there's any partnership that [can] come close to a reality, it would be Australia and ASEAN. Because we are natural partners of choice. We're at the same strategic ecosystem...We rely on one superpower for security. We also rely on one superpower for prosperity.

The progressives, including myself, have to be much smarter and much stronger and also show the people that leadership is not just about fear. It can be about hope and it can be about working together with the people and it can be about empathy.