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South Korea and Indonesia arguably proved that they could get out of military domination and prosper and thrive [as] strong democracies. Once you've reached that stage, it's hard for you to turn back. But it's not yet time for Thailand, and we just have to be patient and keep doing what we're doing.

If there's any partnership that [can] come close to a reality, it would be Australia and ASEAN. Because we are natural partners of choice. We're at the same strategic ecosystem...We rely on one superpower for security. We also rely on one superpower for prosperity.

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There was a poll asking younger people what ASEAN means to the people in Laos...Thailand...Singaporeans. The result of the research says less than 20% [beleive ASEAN meant anything to them]. They couldn't give a hoot about...ASEAN. Because we cannot get things done! We are not relevant. We are not credible...We get together for meetings and...that Five Point Consensus comes out, and nothing gets done.

The progressives, including myself, have to be much smarter and much stronger and also show the people that leadership is not just about fear. It can be about hope and it can be about working together with the people and it can be about empathy.

We're seeing these fresh, supposedly new leaders coming in [in Southeast Asia]. Either you call that a succession plan or dynastic politics. Last name politics. A lot of countries are running [their] politics [like a] family business. You can probably think of a few countries apart from Thailand...you are probably thinking about Cambodia...The Philippines...Laos...[It's] not a problem, I mean if you think about Canada, if you think about Shinzō Abe in Japan, [George] Bush [in the United States]...But's it's not really doing well in any other parts of the world.

Even if I don’t have the authority to lead, I felt like I still have the legitimacy to lead. It might be two, three years, depending on the government’s performance. Then I’ll come back and become the prime minister or candidate for the next election, because the goal or the endgame for me is to show the world that (an) alternative Thailand is possible, and to be the undisputed leader in the democratic force in the region.

My favourite leader in the world who I look up to is Jacinda Ardern. I think she proved to the world during the COVID crisis and during the Christchurch massacre that you don’t have to be a ‘strongman’ with fear tactics and a militant background to resolve crises for the country.